God-Fearing Repubs Share Christian Vision of Immigration

November 29, 2007 by susan
Repub candidates

Be really afraid.

I once said that I'd vote for Chumpy the Chimp over any of the Republican presidential candidates, but what I didn't realize is that all of those contenders are not even in the same league as Chumpy. They're mean nasty demagogues, stirring up a cauldron of hatred with lip-smacking relish. No, I take that back. The most sympathetic of the lot is Mike Huckabee, whose Adam-and-Eve-era viewpoints are anathema to me, but who showed compassion towards the children of illegal immigrants.

For a reason I can't explain, I watched the Republican so-called debate last night. What a pathetic state of affairs it is when CNN partners with You Tube so that the lowest common denominator is asking the questions. And I don't just mean the gun-toting guy who asked about the 2nd ammendment, or the guy with the confederate flag draped in the background who asked where they stood on allowing the stars and bars to be flown, and I don't mean the guy who asked how many of the candidates believed that ever word of the bible is true. I include Grover Norquist, who asked how many of them would pledge to him that they'd never raise taxes. HUH? don't we pledge to god, the flag and stuff like that? When did we start pledging to Grover Norquist? Happy to say, McCain and I think Romney picked up on that.

I'm on a short writing tether today, but some of the most pathetic moments came when the candidates were asked by a retired life-long member of the national guard, now openly gay, if members of the military weren't professional enough to serve along side openly gay soldiers.

Duncan Hunter, the savior of San Diego, replied that Judeo Christian values come first, and it would be bad for anyone to be forced to work in a small, tight unit with an openly homesexual person.

Huckabee, the uber-Christian said it’s about "their conduct." They can have their feelings, but their conduct would ruin the military.

Romney, who once said he looked forward to the time when gays can openly serve in the military, backed away from that and declared that the time isn't here yet, not when we're fighting <

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Leftymn (not verified) | November 29, 2007 - 1:00pm

There was much to be nauseous about in that debate.

my highlight was the twin questions of WWJD regarding Capital PUnishment and whether the candidates believed the Bible to be litterally true. The "Reverend" Huckabee was asked about capital punishment and didnt directly answer the question, Cooper followed up and Gov Huckabee said smarmimally JC was too smart to be a politician. Yuk yuk yuk all around. Then they all proclaimed their steadfast reading and acknowledgement of the Bible as the revealed word of God. (although some of them suggested parts of the Bible just might be allegorical)

It was funny that the only ordained minister , the Huckster, didnt remember the direct response of Jesus to a situation of capital punishment in the Bible .. in answer to a crowd about to stone an adulteress to death he picked up a stone and offered it saying "let he without sin cast the first stone."

Dear Lord, protect me from your followers.


barbara says (not verified) | December 1, 2007 - 2:07pm

Full disclosure: I don't spend a lot of time in church. But in the day, I worshipped in one, worked in others, and also in a regional denominational HQ. Color me holy.

WWJD? While it may be true that Jesus was not a politician, he had tremendous political acumen. But above all else, as best I recall, he was a humanitarian. He championed the lives of the living whether they were under siege from disease, governmental suppression, bigotry, misguided power mongers, terrorists and torturers, economic injustice and judgementalism of every stripe.

I don't have a personal relationship with Jesus, in spite of my former churchly ways. But I am something of an admirer from a respectful distance. And it's my opinion that the man would be flat out appalled at the blather that tumbles out of the mouths of those who claim to be his minions on earth in 2007.

Somewhere in the good book is a snippet about people who parade their religion in public, making much of their piety and trinitarian insider status. And as I recall, what Jesus did (WJD) was to call that behavior rank posturing and suggested in his own way that they get over themselves. In private.

I haven't seen any of the "debates." I just can't bring myself to do it. My impression, again from a distance, is that the debates are just more of the sound and fury crap. ReShrublicans lined up in a row, oft times competing for the self-appointed role of Jesus of Nazareth's bestest friend in current time and purveyor of the absolute truth.

Fah. Pandering parasites, all.


susan | December 2, 2007 - 12:53pm

Agree fully, of course.

You write of Jesus, " And it's my opinion that the man would be flat out appalled at the blather that tumbles out of the mouths of those who claim to be his minions on earth in 2007."
I think it's safe to say, so would Mohammed.

Seems to me, so often the originator of most anything, but especially religion, is a far cry from those who follow.
When I was growing up in suburban Chicago, the most restrictive suburb in terms of housing -- no Jews, certainly no blacks -- was a place called Kenilworth. Later, reading the history of communal movements in America, I learned that the founder of Kenilworth was an idealist who wanted to raise children away from the city so they could have fresh air and good schools, all in a communal setting. So Kenilworth was originally a commune. I was going to add, "and not a hotbed of bigots." But having lived on a quasi-commune back in the day, I'd say that there was a different sort of bigotry going on in the communes as well.
But that's for another time.


Diane (not verified) | December 3, 2007 - 10:01pm

please know that there are some Christians who are working for fair treatment for immigrants, yes, even those in the country without papers. The progressive Christian group Isaiah advocates especially for the DREAM act and for civil rights for immigrants.

Jesus wasn't a politician, it's true: but he did care about justice.


susan | December 4, 2007 - 1:32am

Thanks Diane, it's important that we do remember this. There are many Christians who are appalled at the mean spiritedness of the immigrant bashers, and others who take the message of Jesus to heart and work hard for social justice. I didn't know about Isaiah, so thanks for this information.


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